Comments on: Trust in Relationships: Mind Manipulation, Subterfuge, and the 5 Ways the Clever and Devious Lure Us in… http://www.deceptionsecrets.com/2009/09/08/trust-in-relationships-mind-manipulation-subterfuge-and-the-5-ways-the-clever-and-devious-lure-us-in/ Been lied to lately? Or could you tell--how to master deception, lying, and conversation... Mon, 06 Feb 2012 10:13:16 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7 hourly 1 By: Jef http://www.deceptionsecrets.com/2009/09/08/trust-in-relationships-mind-manipulation-subterfuge-and-the-5-ways-the-clever-and-devious-lure-us-in/comment-page-1/#comment-427 Jef Fri, 11 Mar 2011 12:51:54 +0000 http://www.deceptionsecrets.com/?p=1572#comment-427 Absoutely, manipulation can be used for good and thanks for your point. I focused on the negative side of it, for sure. Manipulation has become a dirty word, while 'leadership' has become virtuous... they are functionally the same. Maybe another post is due Unkewl... thanks for sharing your interesting take on this--and making me think about all of this again... -jef Absoutely, manipulation can be used for good and thanks for your point. I focused on the negative side of it, for sure.

Manipulation has become a dirty word, while ‘leadership’ has become virtuous… they are functionally the same.

Maybe another post is due Unkewl… thanks for sharing your interesting take on this–and making me think about all of this again…

-jef

]]> By: Unkewl http://www.deceptionsecrets.com/2009/09/08/trust-in-relationships-mind-manipulation-subterfuge-and-the-5-ways-the-clever-and-devious-lure-us-in/comment-page-1/#comment-426 Unkewl Fri, 11 Mar 2011 08:46:28 +0000 http://www.deceptionsecrets.com/?p=1572#comment-426 Most of these observations are comeing from someone lookeing from the outside in, they either dont realize that they 2 manipulate but on a lower and insurmountable scale. I just would like to point out that one can not truley understand the art of manipulation and subterfuge the way someone born with those skills does. The type of people your referencing here are more of a unmoral standpoint. The true natural manipulators like myself ways heavely on my conscience, the very thing that seperates the ones who have this skill from birth from the people aquated to here. People born with these gifts realize usually that its a responsiblity to not manipulate people to the point of harm. The people referenced in the above artical are the immoral type. I just hope that people realize like everything else manipulators are either good , or bad. For example if I was to manipulate you into stoping a harmful habit, would you consider me a monster for doing so? But on the contrary to the immoral I spoke of and example of there behavior would be manipulation without moral reasoning, as long as they get what they want, nothing else matters.(aka monsters) Just please realize that there are 2 seperate types of manipulators , ones who repect and uphold a sense of morals, and those who discard morality for no other reason then to purley get what they want. Most of these observations are comeing from someone lookeing from the outside in, they either dont realize that they 2 manipulate but on a lower and insurmountable scale. I just would like to point out that one can not truley understand the art of manipulation and subterfuge the way someone born with those skills does. The type of people your referencing here are more of a unmoral standpoint. The true natural manipulators like myself ways heavely on my conscience, the very thing that seperates the ones who have this skill from birth from the people aquated to here. People born with these gifts realize usually that its a responsiblity to not manipulate people to the point of harm. The people referenced in the above artical are the immoral type. I just hope that people realize like everything else manipulators are either good , or bad. For example if I was to manipulate you into stoping a harmful habit, would you consider me a monster for doing so? But on the contrary to the immoral I spoke of and example of there behavior would be manipulation without moral reasoning, as long as they get what they want, nothing else matters.(aka monsters) Just please realize that there are 2 seperate types of manipulators , ones who repect and uphold a sense of morals, and those who discard morality for no other reason then to purley get what they want.

]]> By: **Jeannie http://www.deceptionsecrets.com/2009/09/08/trust-in-relationships-mind-manipulation-subterfuge-and-the-5-ways-the-clever-and-devious-lure-us-in/comment-page-1/#comment-308 **Jeannie Thu, 13 May 2010 03:11:01 +0000 http://www.deceptionsecrets.com/?p=1572#comment-308 Yes I trust the decisions I am making from now on, and that is all. Yes I trust the decisions I am making from now on, and that is all.

]]> By: shannon http://www.deceptionsecrets.com/2009/09/08/trust-in-relationships-mind-manipulation-subterfuge-and-the-5-ways-the-clever-and-devious-lure-us-in/comment-page-1/#comment-265 shannon Sat, 20 Feb 2010 22:20:37 +0000 http://www.deceptionsecrets.com/?p=1572#comment-265 i am in a relationship that focuses on the what she really want at the time , but i would like sometime more deeper can anyone help me? i am in a relationship that focuses on the what she really want at the time , but i would like sometime more deeper can anyone help me?

]]> By: Jef http://www.deceptionsecrets.com/2009/09/08/trust-in-relationships-mind-manipulation-subterfuge-and-the-5-ways-the-clever-and-devious-lure-us-in/comment-page-1/#comment-205 Jef Mon, 21 Sep 2009 01:26:23 +0000 http://www.deceptionsecrets.com/?p=1572#comment-205 Not so much due to smooth talking, but maybe more to: 1-they have enough boldness to be deceptive in the first place, and 2-they have some degree of confidence that you won't know the truth. (And everybody falls into these 2 categories at one time or another... we need to be deceptive to avoid or gain something, and we usually only do it when we believe we can get away with it--think Bill Clinton.) And actually a pre-meditated deception can be easier to spot than one that's impromtu... but you do have to know a few tricks. Undercover? No acting classes, but we did train for it deeply. I've often said that "they trained me to be deceptive"--my first time on that side of the fence, but a cop can't buy dope without telling a lie... lots of 'em, really. Thanks Jeannie! Not so much due to smooth talking, but maybe more to: 1-they have enough boldness to be deceptive in the first place, and 2-they have some degree of confidence that you won’t know the truth. (And everybody falls into these 2 categories at one time or another… we need to be deceptive to avoid or gain something, and we usually only do it when we believe we can get away with it–think Bill Clinton.)

And actually a pre-meditated deception can be easier to spot than one that’s impromtu… but you do have to know a few tricks.

Undercover? No acting classes, but we did train for it deeply. I’ve often said that “they trained me to be deceptive”–my first time on that side of the fence, but a cop can’t buy dope without telling a lie… lots of ‘em, really.

Thanks Jeannie!

]]> By: ***jeannie*** http://www.deceptionsecrets.com/2009/09/08/trust-in-relationships-mind-manipulation-subterfuge-and-the-5-ways-the-clever-and-devious-lure-us-in/comment-page-1/#comment-204 ***jeannie*** Mon, 21 Sep 2009 00:22:06 +0000 http://www.deceptionsecrets.com/?p=1572#comment-204 Hi Jef! "The people who are most successful at deception are the people who are most convincing in what they say.".... you are so right about this. Why are these people such smooth talkers? Is it because they have their goal in mind and have planned every detail towards getting what they want? Everything is premeditated it seems. So did you have to take acting lessons to do undercover work? Just curious... haha... Do law enforcers get training from actors? What a question. Hi Jef!
“The people who are most successful at deception are the people who are most convincing in what they say.”…. you are so right about this. Why are these people such smooth talkers? Is it because they have their goal in mind and have planned every detail towards getting what they want? Everything is premeditated it seems.

So did you have to take acting lessons to do undercover work? Just curious… haha… Do law enforcers get training from actors? What a question.

]]> By: Jef http://www.deceptionsecrets.com/2009/09/08/trust-in-relationships-mind-manipulation-subterfuge-and-the-5-ways-the-clever-and-devious-lure-us-in/comment-page-1/#comment-202 Jef Wed, 09 Sep 2009 14:55:58 +0000 http://www.deceptionsecrets.com/?p=1572#comment-202 And it's a realistic picture... a lot of people walk around with bombs behind their backside. Thanks Jim! -j And it’s a realistic picture… a lot of people walk around with bombs behind their backside.

Thanks Jim!

-j

]]> By: Jim http://www.deceptionsecrets.com/2009/09/08/trust-in-relationships-mind-manipulation-subterfuge-and-the-5-ways-the-clever-and-devious-lure-us-in/comment-page-1/#comment-201 Jim Wed, 09 Sep 2009 14:30:42 +0000 http://www.deceptionsecrets.com/?p=1572#comment-201 Great observations- & great pic! Greed IS a major player- if we have a shot at something really good, we just want it all to be true. Great observations- & great pic! Greed IS a major player- if we
have a shot at something really good, we just want it all to be true.

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