Comments on: Signs of Lying Rule #22—A 40-Year-old Parallel Lesson from the Hell’s Angels: People Want to Tell the Truth… http://www.deceptionsecrets.com/2009/05/12/signs-of-lying-rule-22%e2%80%94a-40-year-old-parallel-lesson-from-the-hells-angels-people-want-to-tell-the-truth%e2%80%a6/ Been lied to lately? Or could you tell--how to master deception, lying, and conversation... Sun, 05 Sep 2010 14:36:47 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7 hourly 1 By: Deception Secrets - How to Tell if Someone is Lying… » Blog Archive » Hell’s Angels Post Update—Startling Evidence of How the Onslaught of Political Correctness Has Cultivated Deception in All of Us… http://www.deceptionsecrets.com/2009/05/12/signs-of-lying-rule-22%e2%80%94a-40-year-old-parallel-lesson-from-the-hells-angels-people-want-to-tell-the-truth%e2%80%a6/comment-page-1/#comment-357 Deception Secrets - How to Tell if Someone is Lying… » Blog Archive » Hell’s Angels Post Update—Startling Evidence of How the Onslaught of Political Correctness Has Cultivated Deception in All of Us… Tue, 10 Aug 2010 02:39:13 +0000 http://www.deceptionsecrets.com/?p=641#comment-357 [...] My original post was centered around this one point:  Even when they’re deceptive, “Everyone wants to have some percentage of truth in what they say.”  If you missed it, you can read my original post here.  [...] [...] My original post was centered around this one point:  Even when they’re deceptive, “Everyone wants to have some percentage of truth in what they say.”  If you missed it, you can read my original post here.  [...]

]]> By: Jef http://www.deceptionsecrets.com/2009/05/12/signs-of-lying-rule-22%e2%80%94a-40-year-old-parallel-lesson-from-the-hells-angels-people-want-to-tell-the-truth%e2%80%a6/comment-page-1/#comment-263 Jef Wed, 17 Feb 2010 16:31:47 +0000 http://www.deceptionsecrets.com/?p=641#comment-263 The risk of using real-world examples to illustrate a subtle point is that my point can get lost... or other points come up. Which is alright. My real aim here was to show that even when their misleading us, people usually start with some foundation of truth, some factual starting point. So with this story, for example, there are lots of other points that can give us something to talk about... you've hit on one, actually two: 1-was Hunter Thompson showing nobility, standing up when no one else would? and 2-do the Hells Angels think it's alright to beat their ladies? Sonny Barger's take in the book was that Thompson was being an opportunist, not a hero. Hey, Thompson made good use of the incident in his book, didn't he? Was it planned that way? Looks like it, but who knows. I'm sure there were other opportunities for him to stand up for morality, but he chose this one. As for the second point--which again, is getting far off course from what I was writing about--individual members of the Hells Angels have done it all, sure. So have members of the Teachers Union, the US Senate, and too many other groups to name. Doesn't mean they sanction what every person does... the individual decides. Thanks for your thoughts, James, much appreciated! -jef The risk of using real-world examples to illustrate a subtle point is that my point can
get lost… or other points come up. Which is alright.

My real aim here was to show that even when their misleading us, people
usually start with some foundation of truth, some factual starting point.

So with this story, for example, there are lots of other points that can give us something
to talk about… you’ve hit on one, actually two: 1-was Hunter Thompson showing nobility,
standing up when no one else would? and 2-do the Hells Angels think it’s alright to beat
their ladies?

Sonny Barger’s take in the book was that Thompson was being an opportunist, not a hero.
Hey, Thompson made good use of the incident in his book, didn’t he? Was it planned that
way? Looks like it, but who knows. I’m sure there were other opportunities for him to
stand up for morality, but he chose this one.

As for the second point–which again, is getting far off course from what I was writing
about–individual members of the Hells Angels have done it all, sure. So have members of
the Teachers Union, the US Senate, and too many other groups to name. Doesn’t mean
they sanction what every person does… the individual decides.

Thanks for your thoughts, James, much appreciated!

-jef

]]> By: James http://www.deceptionsecrets.com/2009/05/12/signs-of-lying-rule-22%e2%80%94a-40-year-old-parallel-lesson-from-the-hells-angels-people-want-to-tell-the-truth%e2%80%a6/comment-page-1/#comment-261 James Wed, 17 Feb 2010 02:48:47 +0000 http://www.deceptionsecrets.com/?p=641#comment-261 true there are two sides to the story but it seems an agreed upon fact that Junkie george was beating his wife and Hunter was the only one who thought that wrong? If the Hells Angels think that is alright to beat their wives then they need to think again Right? true there are two sides to the story but it seems an agreed upon fact that Junkie george was beating his wife and Hunter was the only one who thought that wrong?

If the Hells Angels think that is alright to beat their wives then
they need to think again

Right?

]]> By: Jef http://www.deceptionsecrets.com/2009/05/12/signs-of-lying-rule-22%e2%80%94a-40-year-old-parallel-lesson-from-the-hells-angels-people-want-to-tell-the-truth%e2%80%a6/comment-page-1/#comment-136 Jef Fri, 26 Jun 2009 14:52:36 +0000 http://www.deceptionsecrets.com/?p=641#comment-136 Hey, Fritz, glad to do it. Sonny's book is authentic & one of a kind--just like the man himself. He's one of the few people out there who just says it like it is and let's the facts speak for themselves. Pretty rare thing these days. Thanks for your feedback, very nice, Fritz. Please give Sonny my best. -jef Readers: You can get all of Sonny's books at http://sonnybarger.com/osc/index.php?cPath=181 Hey, Fritz, glad to do it. Sonny’s book is authentic & one of a kind–just like the man himself.

He’s one of the few people out there who just says it like it is and let’s the facts speak
for themselves. Pretty rare thing these days.

Thanks for your feedback, very nice, Fritz. Please give Sonny my best.

-jef

Readers: You can get all of Sonny’s books at http://sonnybarger.com/osc/index.php?cPath=181

]]> By: Fritz Clapp http://www.deceptionsecrets.com/2009/05/12/signs-of-lying-rule-22%e2%80%94a-40-year-old-parallel-lesson-from-the-hells-angels-people-want-to-tell-the-truth%e2%80%a6/comment-page-1/#comment-135 Fritz Clapp Fri, 26 Jun 2009 07:47:39 +0000 http://www.deceptionsecrets.com/?p=641#comment-135 Thanks for sharing your insightful analysis of this incident, and for your kind review of Sonny's autobio. Thanks for sharing your insightful analysis of this incident, and for your kind review of Sonny’s autobio.

]]> By: Jef Nance http://www.deceptionsecrets.com/2009/05/12/signs-of-lying-rule-22%e2%80%94a-40-year-old-parallel-lesson-from-the-hells-angels-people-want-to-tell-the-truth%e2%80%a6/comment-page-1/#comment-80 Jef Nance Wed, 13 May 2009 14:58:53 +0000 http://www.deceptionsecrets.com/?p=641#comment-80 hey, Seth, right on--this technique isn't specific to the Oakland Chapter! hey, Seth, right on–this technique isn’t specific to the Oakland Chapter!

]]> By: ***jeannie*** http://www.deceptionsecrets.com/2009/05/12/signs-of-lying-rule-22%e2%80%94a-40-year-old-parallel-lesson-from-the-hells-angels-people-want-to-tell-the-truth%e2%80%a6/comment-page-1/#comment-79 ***jeannie*** Wed, 13 May 2009 04:24:23 +0000 http://www.deceptionsecrets.com/?p=641#comment-79 I get it Jef I get it Jef

]]> By: Seth Simonds http://www.deceptionsecrets.com/2009/05/12/signs-of-lying-rule-22%e2%80%94a-40-year-old-parallel-lesson-from-the-hells-angels-people-want-to-tell-the-truth%e2%80%a6/comment-page-1/#comment-78 Seth Simonds Wed, 13 May 2009 03:47:30 +0000 http://www.deceptionsecrets.com/?p=641#comment-78 Isn't it odd that no matter how stressful a situation is, we can always thin of the perfectly stupid thing to say? Getting thumped by any chapter of HA shouldn't be a problem then. Isn’t it odd that no matter how stressful a situation is, we can always thin of the perfectly stupid thing to say?

Getting thumped by any chapter of HA shouldn’t be a problem then.

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